What I Have Learned in Working With 300+ People in Their Journey of Tapering

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I am a psychiatrist in the US who completed residency in 2010. I always felt that there was something “off” with my profession. Yet I didn’t know how to question the specifics of my formal psychiatric training.

I performed as a psychiatrist the way I was expected to, in the way I had been taught.

In 2020, a colleague recommended a number of books to me. All of them were taking a critical look at psychiatry from authors including Peter Breggin, Kelly Brogan, and Robert Whitaker.

One such book was Anatomy of an Epidemic.

This book changed my life.

Why? Because prior to this, I had no idea that all psychiatric medications can be difficult to reduce or stop. Not because of relapse of the original condition, but because of withdrawal symptoms that mimic the original distress.

Reading about the sordid historical past of the practice of psychiatry over more than a century, it became abundantly clear that my already sneaking suspicions were true:

Psychiatry, despite it being adorned in very convincing professional-looking garb, is practiced more akin to sorcery than science.

This clear narration of the history of psychiatry allowed me to see the larger picture as it developed over the course of time, which gave me permission to question it… deeply.

“Had what I been taught in my psychiatric training been true science?”

Black and white photo of a hand holding a colorized pill

This questioning led me to countless hours of research through whatever resources I could find. I was in and out of online peer-based support communities, Facebook groups, books, YouTube videos, and podcasts in search of truth.

The more I learned, the clearer it became that it is a very real thing for people to struggle with reducing, stopping, or changing their psychiatric medications. Hundreds of thousands of people taking to the internet to find genuine help when they are suffering are not likely to be lying. And why wouldn’t this make sense scientifically? We understand this for psychoactive drugs in other classes, so why would SSRIs, mood stabilizers, and antipsychotics be any different?

When I started helping people safely taper psychiatric medications, I had the Ashton Manual and Surviving Antidepressants as references. I had the basic guideline of making 10% reductions, of whatever psychiatric medication it was, every month.

This was where I began.

I feel bad for my first patients at that time, as I was just as bewildered as they were. I did not know what I was doing, but felt it was better than the potentially dangerous advice of making 50% medication reductions or stopping cold turkey.

What I have learned over the years of working with 300+ people in their tapering journey is that it’s a lot more complex than 10% per month.

In fact, I don’t think I’ve had anyone finish a taper using that specific percentage the entire time.

I soon realized what medication tapering is. It is stepping into each individual’s complex world of biology, history, psyche, circumstance, and tolerance for discomfort.

Naively, I thought this would be relatively simple work. That we would create a tapering schedule, meet regularly, and follow it. What I learned is that it is anything but that.

What I’ve observed is that coming off psychiatric medications can be daunting, even when the medication is clearly no longer indicated or causing adverse reactions. Many people describe their experience of psychiatric medication withdrawal as “the worst experience of my life” and use words like “horrific” and “torturous.” I have heard those expressions more times than I can count.

It is commonly one of the most intense periods of a person’s life.

What I’ve learned is that medication tapering also includes:

  • The transformation of an individual who is dealing with their views of the medical system,
  • Feelings of betrayal by authority figures,
  • And a fundamental shift in honoring one’s autonomy rather than handing complete control over to anyone.

There is no exact one-size-fits-all approach to tapering.

In the tapering process, we are dealing with a person’s brain chemistry and aspects about their physiology that we do not understand, nor can we quantitatively test for. And we have to use their personal, subjective experience as a primary guide.

Nothing about this is simple.

The process is nuanced, completely unique for every individual, and often painstaking.

So How Did I Change My Approach?

The very first thing I did was start believing my patients. This may sound absurd or like I was a heartless doctor in the past, but what I realized was that I was carefully groomed to disbelieve the people whose health I was trying to take care of.

This is one of the most insidious things about the medical profession. We are subtly (or not-so-subtly) taught that we (doctors) know best, no matter what.

As a psychiatrist, I was not taught to sit and listen to the individual’s experience of the mind-altering medication they were taking without judgement. I was not taught to question or wonder. I was taught to administer. I was taught that only I know best what is right for this individual.

And what would happen if the treatment administered didn’t work?

I was taught to go back to the very limited tool kit I was given and try again. I was not taught to question the medication itself. Or to investigate its potential frailties. Or even consider that we may not know nearly the scope of what we pretend to about these mind-altering chemicals.

First, I had to start believing what people were telling me. That their psychiatric medication was causing major problems for them, especially when they tried to discontinue it.

This wasn’t easy.

Even for someone who has a deeply questioning mind like me. There were moments I struggled to fully accept the reality of what people were telling me.

  • That they had tried multiple times to get off an SSRI and failed because of withdrawal symptoms.
  • That a tiny decrease in a benzo was causing them to not be able to function in their life.
  • That the medication itself was causing the very symptoms it was meant to treat.

Over time, the more I heard, the more I understood that psychiatric medications are not what we are portraying them as. When I started to listen, the patterns became obvious.

I saw firsthand that any psychiatric medication taken on a daily basis (not just benzos) can cause physiological dependence. And that this dependence can produce dangerous withdrawal symptoms when a person tries to reduce or stop a medication abruptly.

So, What Works?

When it comes to tapering, what I have found works is a hyperbolic approach that is patient-led and non-fixed.

What do I mean by “non-fixed”? It means you can’t just hand someone a sheet of paper with all the calculations for their doses and expect that to work for them over the course of time, which can be years. Life changes. A taper has to mirror this reality and be dynamic responding to the individual’s needs in the present moment. This means percentages should be adjusted based on their current state, if needed. I have never seen someone maintain the same exact percent reduction throughout their taper.

For example, when someone has to change jobs, this is a stressful situation. It’s often a time when people choose to hold their dose for a longer duration or lower their reduction percentage to account for their system being sensitized by added mental stress. After that stress has passed, one can typically resume their previous reduction pace.

I’ve also seen people feel better at the end of their taper when the medication burden is low, and consequently, safely increase their reduction pace. It is individual for everyone. I cannot stress this enough.

There is no one-size-fits-all prescription for a person’s taper.

The most common and relatively comfortable rate I have observed is making medication reductions between 2.5-10% every 4-6 weeks.

But there are plenty of people operating outside this range too.

  • Some people start at a higher percentage and then reduce it as their medication dose gets smaller as they observe their reaction to the reductions.
  • Some who are having an adverse reaction to the medication need to hasten the taper to rapidly reduce their exposure to it.

A reduction pace for the same medication for one person may not be tolerable for another.

The Mindset of Stability

I have learned the hard way, what matters most, is not how quickly a person can taper down to 0 mg, but maintaining the individual’s mental and emotional stability.

Many people that find me are fed up with their medication. They do not want to spend one more moment under its influence. In that mindset, they want to get off the medication as quickly as possible. Tapers work well when we focus on that individual maintaining mental stability. I used to get seduced into the idea that what mattered most was tapering as fast as possible. But then I watched people suffer when the pace was hasty.

Their zest to get off the medication can easily work against them. Helping people understand that tapering is a marathon, not a sprint–that is the tortoise, not the hare who wins this race—is not always easy navigation. But eventually, once the individual realizes the power of tapering slowly, finds relative mental stability, and is able to maintain a comfortable pace, it can be a relatively smooth process.

What became clear is that a taper can be most expeditious when a person feels “relatively stable” throughout. This does not mean feeling perfect. There will be ups and downs, but when we upset the delicate balance of an individual’s psyche, the suffering takes its toll. It often causes periods of stopping or slowing the taper.

What works well is to find a reduction percentage that feels tolerable, even if it’s smaller than you expected, and keep making that reduction regularly. In that way:

  • The individual gains confidence in the taper,
  • They get to have a reasonable quality of life,
  • And they maintain their functionality (going to work, paying the bills, taking care of family).
Exposure to Different Medications

Every medication has a different side effect and tapering profile. It has taken me years to learn the intricacies of each one. I’m still learning every day.

For example, tapering Prozac is not the same as tapering Lexapro. With Prozac a person can get away with larger percentages than with Lexapro. Prozac has a very long half-life, which we can guess is the reason it’s easier. Lexapro, with a shorter half-life, is a very “touchy” medication to taper. It can quickly precipitate intensely uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms with minor dose changes.

Each person also has their own unique journey that has brought them to the point of finding me. Typically, they’ve already tried to taper unsuccessfully and are in various states of distress or destabilization. Many have been exposed to multiple medications in failed attempts by other providers to find an alternate solution for their distress.

Each exposure to a rapid dose reduction, reinstatement, or alternate drug trial acts as an event of “kindling” to the brain. Kindling means any event that causes an assault to the brain from which the brain may struggle to stabilize.

Waiting for the brain to be stable enough to reduce the medication is its own challenge. And being “stable” is a relative term. It’s unique to the person going through the destabilizing event.

It takes subtlety, nuance, and patience to figure out when it is time to start moving doses downward. And the same goes for figuring out what percentage to start with.

Finally, Everyone Is Unique

Every person has their own unique journey. Each person’s biology is unique. What their brain has been exposed to over the years is unique. Each has their own unique tolerance for mental and emotional discomfort.

You have to put all of these things together and try to make coherent sense out of it to help someone stay relatively mentally and emotionally stable while their brain chemistry is being altered. This is not easy to do.

I’ve never listened more to my patients than I do now. I’ve never learned more from my patients than I do now. I am constantly learning, growing, and questioning every single day in discerning what step for someone to take next.

I experience the feeling of being in the boat WITH the patient. We are navigating the stormy seas together. It is a partnership, not a dictatorship, built on a solid foundation of mutual trust and respect.

My patients may not know, but their individual experience has helped many others as I learn from them and apply it.

What I have learned is that this process demands being continuously open-minded, dynamic, and responsive to the ever-changing needs of the individual person.

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Mad in America hosts blogs by a diverse group of writers. These posts are designed to serve as a public forum for a discussion—broadly speaking—of psychiatry and its treatments. The opinions expressed are the writers’ own.

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      • 1. The cost of this provider’s services, for one. It’s VERY HIGH and cash only.
        2. This is a niche that differentiates the provider from other providers. Doctors aren’t making a lot of money these days. This is one way to do it.
        3. The provider’s website privacy policy states that it will sell your personal information to “Ad Networks”.
        Just three examples. I know the provider. The context for my statement includes more than just the article. Yes, good observation. Due to my lived experience with this provider and many, many others like this provider, I am disappointed with their role in, and contributions to this epidemic.

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        • Really honest and detailed comment, Michael.
          It also is more than annoying to see these new experts claiming what we knew many years ago. Example: The hyperbolic taper. I did that 20 years ago. The graph, when completed, was a segment of a hyperbola. This gets no press unless it comes from a medical doctor. So lives are mangled via ad hominem arguments.
          Medical doctors are trained. They are not educated.
          I worked at a site where we were required to send suicidal people to a hotline that feeds from that misery. That sort of help ends lives.
          I so much appreciate your very honest input. Please share more.

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    • My husband was trying to taper. He died by suicide days after speaking to a so-called deprescribing expert. I would like to hear these experts admit that sometimes, people simply can’t tolerate any tapering and should be advised to stay on the medication. My husband was asked if he ever had suicidal thoughts days before he died and he replied NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. Why? Probably because he was trying to tough out the taper and had then read one too many articles about people being impaired for years in withdrawal. The message to everyone reading this who is trying to taper is this – if you start having suicidal thoughts, you NEED to tell someone and possibly abort your taper. Whilst I agree that psych meds should in many cases never be prescribed, I think that if someone has been on an SSRI for a long time they may just have to accept that they will have to stay on for life. Life is better than dying from tapering. I am now raising two beautiful grieving children alone. My husband did not need to die over this and it all could have been avoided if the risk of him becoming irrationally suicidal had been explained to him and to me.

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      • Are you suggesting that long-term use of psych drugs can cause dependence and that withdrawal can be dangerous as the client’s brain is adapted to having the drug and has a very hard time adjusting to a withdrawal period? I’ve heard from many folks that very slow withdrawal is essential for them as individuals, and also known of a few who really could not get off because the withdrawals were so bad. It’s another great argument to avoid long-term use of these drugs if at all possible, as Whitaker’s research suggests.

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      • Sarah, if any untoward symptoms occur while tapering, one should halt the taper until those symptoms go away, or possibly updose. Bad symptoms are a sign that the taper is too steep. This instruction is core to any tapering plan.

        Protracted withdrawal after cessation of the drug is not inevitable; the evidence for protracted withdrawal syndrome is based on 35 years of poorly informed, precipitous tapering. It is unfortunate that warnings about this most extreme negative outcome are frightening people on social media.

        I am sorry for your loss.

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        • Alostrata, he was also seeking ‘advice’ from your website, Surviving Antidepressants, where members told him not to up dose or listen to his Drs advice. Another man has recently died in a similar way after being on your website where he reported such terrible symptoms and none of the so called experts there told him to seek urgent medical attention. In both these cases, your website encouraged toughing it out over updosing or seeking medical help. There are many more poor suffering people on there now who sound like they are at risk of the same fate. I beg you please to highlight the risk of suicide to people strongly on your website and remind people to always speak up if suicidal thoughts emerge. Just because you were able to get through it, doesn’t mean others will and your website has an obligation to do more.

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          • Suicide is better prevented than treated. You feel lost and ready to give up? Let us help you by incarcerating you and cramming chemicals into your helpless body. Criminals can look forward to the end of years served. Those condemned as mental patients, the suicidal, do not have that hope.

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      • Hi Sarah,

        I am very sorry for the dreadful loss of your husband.
        The de-prescribing psychiatrist Steve Shipko and another psychiatrist Dr David Healy who saw what SSRI’s did first hand to all bodily systems, might I think agree with what happened to your husband.

        I think that both sides – the psychiatrists who deny that iatrogenic harm and withdrawal exists, and the other side – those who advocate slow withdrawal from drugs and assert blithely that everyone who does so will eventually heal – need to acknowledge that neither side has the monopoly on what the ‘truth’ of the situation is.

        Steve Shipko on an interview I saw on either the Medicating Normal FAcebook site or the Inner Compass FAcebook site advised that he had patients who simply when they got to certain level on their drug taper could not go any further without severe life threatening symptoms and David Healy has spoken of the damage that is caused to all body system regardless of whether someone tapers slowly or withdraws quickly or cold turkeys from drugs. Both men have direct experience with patients on these drugs.

        I have read of several people on Surviving Anti Depressants who had gone on to kill himself because they could not tolerate the taper or the effects of the drugs themselves to which they had an allergic reaction.

        I think that both sides need to be a bit humble and admit we don’t know that everyone will heal. We don’t know if everyone even if they follow the protocol will survive and/or may be able to completely taper off their drug.

        I have seen too many threads on that site go silent towards the end of a taper with a person’s last post being full of distress before complete silence. Who knows what has happened to these people. The list of success stories given the number of threads on the site is very small. It is not fair to offer ‘advice’ to people and then say that it is not medical advice and leave them effectively on their own if their symptoms are severe or life threatening.

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  1. Thanks for your honesty. Though as a daughter of a physician I know he believed his patients ta. That was to him part of the Hippocratic Oath. And he allowed himself to think out of the box and saved two lives. My first pediatrician told me when Ivwas young I thought I knew everything then I learned I didn’t at all abd now I listen to the mothers. If something is off something is off with one’s child but sometimes very slow to figure it all out. There was a contract between patient abd doctor I tho k a book about Arpiacylulpian so? Authority. Somehow the contract had been broken and medical is part Joe the problem and ongoing levels of medical education.

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  2. “what I realized was that I was carefully groomed to disbelieve the people whose health I was trying to take care of.”

    Isn’t that a truly shameful aspect of Rockefeller medicine? As a banker’s daughter, I’ll say the doctors should do some research into Rockefeller’s belief system.

    “This is one of the most insidious things about the medical profession. We are subtly (or not-so-subtly) taught that we (doctors) know best, no matter what.”

    Yet, now, most doctors are claiming ignorance of the common adverse and withdrawal symptoms of the drugs they prescribe.

    “I’ve never listened more to my patients than I do now. I’ve never learned more from my patients than I do now. I am constantly learning, growing, and questioning every single day in discerning what step for someone to take next.”

    And isn’t that a much more fulfilling way to “practice medicine?” At least as a fellow fan of perpetual learning, who also wants to help the majority, I would think so.

    “It is a partnership, not a dictatorship, built on a solid foundation of mutual trust and respect.”

    And that’s what all “medical care” should be, but you do point out why forced psychiatric drugging should be ended – although I do understand why such is a controversial subject.

    Bottom line is, Jennifer, thank you for questioning, researching, actually respecting your patients, and choosing to be a psychiatrist who actively works to help people get off the psychiatric neurotoxins. We need more (if not all) psychiatrists doing such.

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  3. Thanks for this insight Jennifer. My wihdrawl was hell after 20 years of Psychotropics. We need more humanistc Psychiatry and less pharmacutcals. What the helll happened to Freud and Jung? Lets tear down the ancent regime and begin a brave new world of New Medicine right now! Slay the dragon!

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  4. I just really struggle to see someone like the author as authentic, or having “repented” from the harm they and their colleagues had caused in the past, when they’re charging like $400/hr cash. It’s just a good, common sense career move. You now have a niche. Perhaps rich housewives coming off an ssri will be able to benefit from you Jennifer, but the people who have been harmed the most by you and your colleagues…well they’re just not your target demographic. I know, I know, you’re not in it for the money…………

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    • I have found younger psychiatrists – who are intelligent enough to know that their DSM “bible” was debunked as “BS” and “invalid” over a decade ago – who do agree they, too, are a critical psychiatry person. At least when politely approached by an independent psychopharmacology researcher.

      So “you may be right,” but you “may be crazy”/wrong. Thus, despite the fact that most older psychiatrists did not give their clients the common courtesy of treating them in a manner in which they’d like to be treated. We here at MiA need to be respectful of the younger psychiatrists, who hopefully will clean up the mess that the elder psychiatrists created.

      Oh, and as one who was defamed as “crazy,” in part, for noticing I could tell my life’s story in music lyrics, that reminds me of these music lyrics.

      “You may be right
      “I may be crazy
      “Oh, but it just may be a lunatic
      “You’re looking for”

      But I do believe it is time to stop teaching psychiatry in the universities, and stop psych drugging the children. Psychiatry is a “scientifically invalid” industry, which just creates holocaust after holocaust.

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  5. Very encouraging article. I’m tapering myself down, in fact with my psych’s help. It was good to read about your experience for me. Everybody, including me, at least at some point, seems to want to go as fast as possible but since I’ve been on less of my medication (over the past two or three years tapering and now), my triglycerides are no longer high (as it was on a bigger dose), my energy is pretty good, and I feel much better. So, yes, I’m (greatly) looking forward to zero medication, but I like being able to sleep and not be irritable, thanks. 🙂

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  6. The doctor that misdiagnosed me and put me on Zyprexa, which took me 24 years to get off of and destroyed my physical health and finally disabled me, her website now also claims that she’s “holistic”. Please forgive my eye roll. It’s probably just a side effect of the medication…

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  7. Thank you for your honesty and candor. The sad thing is that doctors like you are in the minority and much harm continues to be done. I once put my trust in psychiatry to help me, but now that I’ve been harmed by the very drugs prescribed to me I am slowly chipping away towards my escape, removing 1 tiny Effexor bead every month. I look forward to when I can leave the entire mental health system behind. May you continue to help more people that have been harmed.

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  8. I would suggest that you ought to remove the word psychiatrist from your title. It’s tainted. Deeply.

    Also I do not think anyone should be charging people for helping them come off psych drugs. We were put on these drugs with lies and false science why should we have to pay to be helped to get off them? Nobody should be making money correcting this torture and hellish experience. We deserve free help and support.

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    • There is a Natural Health Product, EmpowerPlus by True Hope (also a powder form option- great in place of meds for kids).
      Much success in tapering up this mineral & vitamin supplement while tapering down the meds.
      It has been a super support for me since I found it January 2018.
      Makes one wonder – is simple malnutrition a component of mental distress conditions???
      (The only med I took was Lithium- quit November 2016. I quit antipsychotics immediately after hospital discharge on 2 occasions- 2012, 2013. Last Hospitalization in 2015- I Tucked antipsychotics under tongue for flushing.)

      I am a long ago retired Family Physician.
      I was wary of Psychiatry even back to my training. Class of 1990 University of Alberta.
      True Hope company is based in Alberta yet serves the world.

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  9. Although I appreciate the effort, unfortunately it misses the mark at a very fundamental level, in my opinion. If the author does nothing to change the industry in real and tangible ways, such as in altering the approval process for these drugs to limit their use to very specific, short term situations, that the industry be charged for all withdrawal costs and incidences of mis-prescribed drugs for non-supported conditions (ie not everyone is bipolar, is depressed), this means little. The tap must be shut off, no more ambulance chasing, which is what she is doing. In fact, that there is a withdrawal industry emerging is actually a mixed bag. The existing users need to come off, but, new entrants need to be reduced. Which means, the withdrawal industry would eventually collapse.

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    • There is a Psyche drug tapering business claiming that using their supplement-packages for two weeks before tapering will eliminate withdrawal effects. Yes, there are charlatans on all sides of the issue.

      Reminder: Ashton demanded that every benzo-tapering person “jump off” at 0.05 Mg of Valium. The evidence supporting this practice is conspicuously absent while the effect is horrifying.

      Then there is the unexamined assumption that using a percentage to determine safe taper is supported by science. Again, where is the evidence?

      There is more, much more baloney sold as science.

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  10. I believe healthcare is a human right. I understand clinicians need to eat, need a salary. However, they’ve become seriously overvalued both in terms of their cost, and their knowledge/expertise. This was not always the case. Part of the issue I think is the enormous cost it takes to obtain a degree from the clinical orthodoxy. This keeps clinicians in a state of indentured servitude to the orthodoxy because if they were to challange it in any significant way, their licensure would be at risk and they would run the risk of a lifetime of indebtedness for their student loans. The high cost of the education also requires them to charge extremely high prices for their services. The result I think is an army of miseducated, overvalued clinicians, who have harmed patients while also putting them into unnecessary debt. I would like to live in a world where clinicians adopted an attitude of service rather than authority, and humility rather than self-righteousness. Where the Hippocratic Oath, or informed consent actually meant something to them.

    Why does a holistic clinician need a super fancy website with marketing cookies? Why does their privacy policy say that they’re going to sell our data to “Ad Networks”? What are “compassionate psychiatrists” doing selling our data to advertising networks? What does that have to do with their clinical practice? Unfortunately we live in a world where even the most compassionate, yoga teaching, meditating, humanity-loving, woken-up clinicians are trying to squeeze every last penny out of their patients, even using data that is not their own and without their explicit consent. Clinicians, please take a good hard look at yourself for goodness sake. I mean at least stop selling our data just for seeking help on your website!

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    • Michael, I appreciate your perspective, but while I too am upset by the website data stuff, and the exorbitant prices, I disagree on the object of blame. We live in an extremely materialistic capitalist society: money is how things connect, mostly! I think, to participate as a holistic psychiatric professional, sadly there are even more expenses than a straight laced DSM bible thumping academic psychiatrist. If you have been a recipient, as I have, we have to be humble and recognize it is a terribly broken system, there is no other choice here right now!

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      • Thanks for posting this reply which I must say I agree with in full. Michael Fink, I am sorry to hear of your dreadful experiences with psychiatry. My life was destroyed by it too but I won’t go into the detail of the litany of failures and abuse – some of which came from members of my own family who work directly in that area.

        At least this doctor though charging a large fee is by helping patients taper recognizing that withdrawal from psychiatric drugs is a reality and by doing what she is doing she is helping to change the narrative. I understand that Mark Horowitz’s withdrawal centre and the Australian doctor on YouTube Dr Josef Witt-Doering charge a fair bit of money too for withdrawal assistance. As Ed wrote, we do live in an extremely materialistic and capitalist society and money is indeed how things connect. Nearly everything in this ‘broken’ society is transactional now – i.e conditional on the payment of money.

        I think it does matter that the writer is engaging with her patients and actually listening to them and that she has read ‘Anatomy of an Epidemic’ and writes that her life was changed by it, that she always felt that something was ‘off’ about her profession, the fact that she is writing an article here on Mad in America. She will probably suffer the consequences of that from her profession as a whole. As a group psychiatrists seem to be particularly vicious to members who dissent.

        It really does cheer me up when I am at very low ebb which is most of the time to read that a member of that profession recognizes the viewpoint of most of the people who come to this site and is trying to help even for a large fee.

        There are so few places still where an alternative viewpoint to the official DSM dogma is represented. Today I heard on the radio a psychiatrist and a young woman with bipolar disorder talk about ‘world bipolar day’. The woman spoke about her medication and how she was very angry and distressed during adolescence and into her early college years became convinced she had bipolar and found a doctor who confirmed it. She’s happy to be on the meds and has a huge support network, a husband, kids, works in mental health services and has a supportive friend group. It is disturbing to me to hear her casually talking about a reified ‘disorder’ or cluster of symptoms and it being accepted without any dissent at all. At times like that I feel so alone.

        I know this article relates to withdrawal and not diagnosis as a whole but really anything that challenges any part of that narrative is to be welcomed. I still notice on YouTube that the sites that advocate an alternative viewpoint have very low numbers.

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        • I don’t think I’m naive about the role of money in a capitalist society. However the way that money has “connected things” in psychiatry and pharmaceuticals has been a corrupting force in a field that I don’t believe can tolerate that type of perverse incentive. Mental health and Healthcare are unique as industries. Providers take an oath and people’s lives are in the balance, unlike with say, used car salesmen. I think that a large portion of the population has started to realize these incentives have become a catastrophic problem, especially over the last year as the financial strategies of health insurance companies and PBMs have been exposed in the news, even if they haven’t yet realized it about Psychiatry specifically. I applaud your positive perspective. I speak from my lived experience and I don’t mind if I’m in the minority in pointing out these same problems even in the holistic practices. I think somebody’s got to do it. I would like to see them do better and I think they’ve got plenty of cheerleaders here already.

          Also I really just can’t stop thinking that the term “holistic psychiatry” is a bit of an oxymoron. What about naturoplastic surgeons? That could be the next big thing!

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  11. Helpful article for me, as I now realize that the side effects I have been experiencing from trying to get off Lexapro are completely legit. Thanks for your candor, my mother was way ahead of her time, reading Breggin’s Toxic Psychiatry back in the day. My brother died from a heart attack two years ago and he had suffered from neuroleptics and cigarette smoking…now I can honor him by being an informed citizen. We have a lot of work to do in this country!!

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  12. Thank you for being so honest about the way you came to change your mind. As someone who has lived experience, I long for other psychiatrists to come to the knowledge of the truth and I hope that you are able to have a positive influence to others in your profession. I’m sorry that some of the comments have been brutal, because I don’t think that helps. Personally, I think we should welcome those who are brave enough to cross the divide, and do so with integrity. Thank you for all you are doing.

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  13. Hi. I read an article a while back about how they test antidepressants in mice. Might be a gross oversimplicifation, but they give mice the Rx. Then put the mice in water. If they don’t try to swim, they’re still depressed. If they try to swim, positive result. 1-people are mammals but not mice. 2- seriously? if a mouse swims on this drug, it’s supposed to help me? and 3-No info on how to get off these things. Benzos, SSRIs, SNRIs, etc., etc. Get on it, but heck if we can prove it helps (murine model) or get you off safely (all of us).

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  14. Drugs are drugs. All are chemicals with many having terrible side effects. Still shocks me how misinformed Americans are when it come to prescription drug$. From a former healthcare worker who has seen “patients” drugged and addicted for profit. Been going on for decades.

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  15. Thank You Dr. Giordano,

    Your individual work is to be applauded and you have systems work to do both at the level of deprescribing and at the level of discernment around when patients need medication which is much more rare and with informed consent. I am interested in coalitions and advocacy that tirelessly works toward systemic change. We, patients still are in a Stockholm Syndrome like relationship -paying those who harmed us, trying to mask with the hope of getting our lives back, and repairing our relationships. Our losses are immense. I ask that the field of psychiatry shows up with responsibility for our dependence. The first step
    to me would be acknowledging harm by creating a whole field of dependence medicine. This would undo the addiction narrative and name what truly happened. I do appreciate your work and make it bigger so we can prevent and mitigate the tortuous harm.

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  16. I so appreciated Jennifer ‘ transparency..how she learned to listen to her patients! I am a recovering alcoholic and have found my wellness by attending AA. I have also witnessed the abuse of meds and meds working for some individuals. I would hope all Drs. suggest the “WE” by attending groups. and hearing folks that suffer as well! I haven’t had to seek outside help other than AA..for that I am grateful!( Thank-you. for listening!)

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